. >> ronald reagan. ronald reagan. >> rose: in the 84 campaign. >> right, right. >> one point on the president correcting, i kind of agree we'll probably lead that internally but boy oh boy, the pressure on joe biden and paul ryan because that debate, the stakes are higher across the board. both biden and ryan are probably doubling their debate prep time now. >> can i disagree. >> rose: yes. >> can i disagree with my good friend mike murphy on that. you know mike you were just a kid i know but in 1988, there was a really much claimed vice presidential debate, lloyd benson and dan quayle. lloyd benson cleaned up the room, one of the great lines in the history of debates and it didn't move the needle one iota. i don't think vice presidential debates will be fun to watch or great for us in the press, i don't think it matters. >> rose: go ahead. >> i was going to say there are a couple sort of issues where there could have been more illumination in terms of flushing thing out on the healthcare debate where m